macedonia

A country Tito made up to piss off Greeks and Bulgarians.

Beautiful and ancient land, with friendly people. Come and visit it.

Home of Macedonians, brave people who love good wine, good music and their fatherland. Home of Alexander the Great, the greatest Macedonian and world hero of all times. Home of Samuel, Gotze Delchev and many other heroes!

You have to love this country with its great and ancient culture!

I’m not sure why this topic seems so controversial. In fact it probably really isn’t, it’s only the bitter, self righteous, intolerant Greeks that insist on living in the past. What do they insist on? Well, they insist that the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) is in reality Greek. The definition of what is “Greek” is entirely subjective of course, but no matter let’s overlook that blatant idiosyncrasy for now.
Regardless of the fallacies in their own argument, there is no substantiation behind it. For one, they base their theory on the lineage of Alexander the Great. This is preposterous, for at the time his father was Phillip, King of Macedonia (not of Greece, mind you), and his mother was a Greek whore that his father took for himself. Furthermore, Alexander was crowned as King of Macedonia, at which point he promptly invaded and took over Greece. Now then, why would someone invade their own country? Precisely, they wouldn’t. Thus, argument 1 is negated: Alexander the Great was Macedonian. Second, the theory that he spread “the Greek culture” is more ridiculous than the first argument. There is about as much a distinct “Greek culture” as there is a distinct “Columbian culture” or a “Zimbabwean culture”. It was a Mediterranean way of life that everyone in the region enjoyed, not just the self righteous Greeks, who persistently call the lifestyle “Greek”. It was representative of all the Balkans, and by that token Alexander the Great did not spread “Greek culture”, but rather Mediterranean culture.
Lastly, and most obtuse, is the argument that the land that FYROM occupies is really part of Greece. Well, what evidence is there for that argument? If it should be a part of Greece, then it most certainly would be. Land is acquired by working for it, not by complaining to the world community that some land should be yours. There is no divine mandate that dictates what lands belong to who. Did the lands in present day France always belong to the French? Or, did the lands of England always belong to British? Or even the lands of Germany, always to the Germans? No, of course not! There were disputes over those lands, and most often blood was spilt. They all belonged to a myriad of different tribes before any stability came about. Sorry Greeks, but this is a harsh world; Macedonia exists because, partially, your weakness and inability to control your own lands. Survival of the fittest as they call it; bitch and moan all you like but unless the hand of God comes down and grants Macedonia to Greece on a silver platter, the lands of Macedonia will forever more remain sovereign.
Now, to the man who insulted the people of Macedonian descent of being “pathetic slav retards”, I would like he himself to retort with at least half a sound of an argument as that which you see right here. Now, I am not often very outspoken, but I simply cannot stand to see such ignorance being blabbed about. There is a very fine line gents, between nationalism and bigotry. I trust you remember that. So, next time you would like to express your dogmatic complaints please follow some logical, coherent conventions if you please.

No such country in the world, it was Bulgarian province, before that it was greek.

It’s a Greek Province in which the city of Thessaloniki is capital.

A handful of Slavo-bulgarian-Scopian- Vardaskans have stolen the province name from Greece to name their country Macedonia. The Scopian Government is leading the world to believe that Greek Macedonian is not Greek, but Macedonian.

The Scopians have no proof to prove that they have a direct connection with Ancient Macedonia of Greece and also believe they have a direct connection with Alexander the Great which is by default not true as the Vardaskans (today’s fake Macedonians) appeared in area of Vardaska 5-6 centuries after Alexander the Great.
The Fake Macedonians use extreme propaganda mechanisms without substantiated material and use people’s historical ignorance to persuade that their history is Macedonian and not Greek. Non Greeks of the world and modern scholars have proven that the Fake Macedonian calls are inventions of a greater plan to divide the Balkans into fragments.
Macedonia is a Greek province and FYROM is a Vardaskan original with Slavs who have no direct connection with Greece, Macedonia and its people of Greece. Scopians are of Slav-Bulgarian origins that have neglected their history and are claiming another countries history (Greece) for their own benefits and hidden agenda.

i. A geographical region in the north of Greece; capital, Thessaloniki.

ii. Historical name misused to refer to the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM).

iii. Ancient territory now divided among Greece, Bulgaria and The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM). Propaganda that began as early as the end of the 19th century with the decline of the Ottoman Empire and the formation of ethnic states, promoted the use of the name Macedonia by Greek, Turkish, Bulgarian, Serb and whatever other populaces to give them a coherent ethnic identity, in favor of each country. The collapse of communist Yugoslavia, sparked open controversy as Skopje (the capital of FYROM) made claims on the name "Macedonia" fot their state name and the Star of Vergina (ancient Macedonian symbol) for their flag.
To confront the misinformation supplied above:
1. Macedonians just like Arcadians, Aeolians, Dorians and all the other Greek "tribes" had the same main deities but worshiped their own gods as well. Deities were also introduced into Greek pantheons by Thracians, Frygians and other peoples.
2. Ooookay... Macedonians sat down to eat while other Greeks lied on their sides; on the other hand they were admitted in the Olympic Games that were strictly exclusive to Greek tribes.
3. Greek city-states were warring all the time, Athens vs Sparta being the most known war. Each City-State while growing in power and setting up colonies conflicted with one another. In fact, the Peloponnesian War between Athens and Sparta (that ended with the defeat of Athens) was the reason the two strongest city-states declined in power and left room for a new force to appear.
4. The name Macedon (derived from the greek macednos: he who has long shanks, a tall person) should suffice. Alexander the Great, his father Fillipos, his mother Olympias (daughter of King Pyrros of Epirus) all have Greek names. Also he was educated by Aristotle. His horse's name was Bucephalas (bus --> bull + cephalas (kefali in modern greek) --> head). The new cities he founded all had greek names.
5. Macedonians were in fact hated by other Greeks just as Athenians were hated by other Greeks when they were at their peak (and "owned" almost all the Aegean Isles, not to mention some colonies in Sicily) just as any warring faction hates the other warring faction that has grown in power and away from their reach. When the Macedonians (again I point out that this could be Athenians, Spartans, Fokians and so on) forced the rest of Greece into submission, they fought a major battle against the Persians. The only City-State that wasn't a part of the Greek army was Sparta. So, after the defeat of the Persians, Alexander erected a monument with an inscription that translates roughly into: "go tell the spartans, stranger passing by, that here, obedient to their laws, we lie". This was an epigram By Simonedes Of Kea written in the Ionian dialect. Epigrams (you can look them up in wikipedia) were short inscriptions (literal meaning is "to write upon sthg") that often had an ironic twist. Get the irony in this one is rather obvious.

However, being dirt-poor, with a country in shambles, full of Albanian, Bulgarian and other minorities the FYROM government is feeding people lots of glorious history just because they have nothing else to feed them. This however has never been such a good idea. It has led to a rise in nationalism on both sides, absurd claims (unofficial, for the time being) of "occupied Macedonia" with a notion of the historical Macedonia (that spread in what is now three countries) in mind, and ludicrous claims that modern inhabitants of that bit of land descend straight for the lineage of Alexander the Great which is a blatant lie since claiming a 3000 year-old lineage in the Balkans is a bit far-fetched (since they were not an isolated populace that intermarried) not to mention that Slavic populaces descended in the Balkan peninsula around 600 A.D.